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Different views of emptiness

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Summary: Emptiness, that is the idea that the world is not the solid, unchanging thing it appears to be, is a key Buddhist concept. It has been interpreted in different ways, and in this technical discussion Lama Shenpen explains the difference between two traditional views, known as Chittamatra* and Shentong**. It is a very complex and deep subject but it is possible to get a flavour of it from this exchange.

A student asks:

Can you please explain the difference difference between the Chittamatra view and the Shentong view?

Lama Shenpen replies:

What both views have in common is that they both accept that there can be no known universe outside of the mind that knows it. A universe that is not known to the mind that is us is not an object of knowledge for us.

It is tempting to think that our universe is out there and our mind is inside it and somehow reaches out to the universe to touch it and know it. But however hard one tries to find a point of contact – however minute you go, however much you push the boundary of what is inside to find a place where it becomes pervious to what is outside – you never find such a boundary. The only way to go is to drop the idea that there is a boundary and then you have the so called objective universe somehow inseparable from what we think of as the subjective mind that knows and experiences it. The implications of this for understanding the nature of mind and the nature of the universe are massive, shocking even.

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The temptation is to try to build a theory out of this so that you can somehow grasp it as an idea and then believe in it. But whenever we do that we end up trying to construct a universe that is measurable and that can be divided into smaller and smaller particles – and divide experience up into smaller and smaller moments of time and somehow it never quite works. You get problems like where does one moment end and another begin. Is there a moment in between the two and if there is does it begin and end, and if so is there a moment between, and so on and so on. There are all sorts of problems like that and this is where you are beginning to rub against a whole different possibility – maybe the whole model is completely wrong.

The reason these problems keep arising is because the whole way of thinking and the whole idea of how we know at all is wrong. Our whole idea of the nature of reality is wrong – and that is the point, it’s an idea and the idea cannot be reality. Reality is not an idea so all ideas are just analogies or fingers pointing at reality. Reality itself is beyond ideas and we know it in another way. Now you are talking about Shentong.

You could say the big difference between the Chittamatra and Shentong is that the Chittamatra view is still trying to think of mind as a stream of moments of consciousness and Shentong goes beyond that kind of model altogether. It takes a leap into a whole different way of knowing that is not momentary at all. This is inconceivable because we cannot conceive of anything that is not in time and space. Well we can sort of open out to the possibility but then we just have to let go of our ordinary way of trying to understand things through thinking. It’s subtle – it’s a fundamental shift in the way we relate to our experience.

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